Date: 19 Feb 94 06:13:16 PA> Greetings, PA> I asked about Nebraska Man last fall, and received some helpful > Nebraska Man was given a scientific name, Hesperopithecus So far, so good.
> It was used as factual evidence in the Scopes This is a point of contention. If your correspondent will give the
date and witness, I'll look it up in my copy of the court transcript
to give a supported/unsupported determination. Until the SciCre-ists
document this, I think it is in error.
> Some references written about this are The PA> I had the impression that someone found a fossilised peccary PA> Anyone know more? You've got it pretty much right. H.F. Osborn was involved in the
original description of Hesperopithecus, which took place in 1922.
Osborn organized expeditions to find more evidence. Those
expeditions took place in 1925 and 1926, and they found much more
evidence -- their "hominid" was really an extinct peccary. A
retraction of the hominid claim resulted, which was published
in Science in 1927.
Note the dates of your correspondent's references: all within the
period when Hesperopithecus was considered to be valid. No
references arguing validity for Hesperopithecus are given after
1927. Again, this is a great example of the self-correcting
nature of science -- mistakes are corrected, not worshipped.
A post of mine from a while back:
Area : EVOLUTION More literature search followed by reading...
930124
Gould, Stephen Jay. Jan 1989. An Essay on a Pig Roast. Natural
History, Jan., pp. 14-25.
ABSTRACT
A description is presented of the 1922 trial between William
Jennings Bryan and Henry Fairfield Osborn on evolution vs.
creationism. The trial began events which culminated in the
more famous Scopes trial.
"The story of Hesperopithecus was certainly embarrassing to Osborn and
Gregory in a personal sense, but the sequence of discovery,
announcement, testing, and refutation -- all done with admirable
dispatch, clarity, and honesty -- shows science working at its very
best. Science is a method for testing claims about the natural world,
not an immutable compendium of absolute truths. The fundamentalists,
by "knowing" the answers before they start, and then forcing nature
into the straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside
the domain of science -- or any honest intellectual inquiry. The
actual story of Hesperopithecus could teach creationists a great deal
about science as properly practiced if they chose to listen, rather
than to scan the surface for cheap shots in the service of debate for
immediate advantage, rather than interest in truth."
Among other items in the article, I found out that while Osborn
organized and participated in the follow-up expedition to Nebraska,
his name was not on the article retracting the claims of primate
affinity for Hesperopithecus. That honor he left for his colleague
Gregory.
So, while Osborn did not actually go into print retracting his earlier
claims, he certainly was foremost in coming up with the evidence and
interpretation that showed the earlier claims to be false.
Osborn did engage in self-correction, but not quite to the extent that
I had previously indicated in a message on the Science Echo.
A timetable:
December 16, 1927: William Gregory publishes retraction of
Hesperopithecus, classifying the original teeth and subsequently
discovered material as belonging to the genus Prosthennops.
(Prosthennops had been described by W.D. Matthews and Harold Cook in
1909.) Prosthennops is an extinct genus related to modern peccaries,
or wild pigs.
Gould challenged SciCre-ists to retract their Paluxy man-tracks claims
in his article. While some have already done so, much of the
literature of the SciCre-ists has not been revised to reflect this.
In the case of "Nebraska man" which the SciCre-ists are so fond of
citing, the claim-test-retract cycle took just over five and one-half
years. One wonders how long it will take the SciCre-ists to remove
even the claims concerning Paluxy from their rhetoric. They have had
almost twice the entire cycle time of Hesperopithecus already.
-- Wesley R. Elsberry
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From: Wesley R. Elsberry
To: Peter Arnall
Subject: Nebraska Man, Take Two.
AREA:EVOLUTION
In a msg on
PA> responses. However my correspondent has replied with further
PA> information about this toothy event, and I'd appreciate any
PA> comment:
> haroldcooki.
> Monkey Trial.
> Ape-Man of the Western World in The Illustrated London News,
> June 24, 1922, and the Evolution of Man, London, Oxford
> University Press, 1924, by G.Elliot Smith. The Pedigree of
> the Human Race, 1926, by Harris H. Wilder. Hesperopithecus,
> The First Anthropoid Primate Found in America, by Henry
> Fairfield Osborn, in 1922, published in Science, Vol. 60
> - also published in American Museum Noviates, No. 37 1922,
> and Nature, Vol. 110, 1922.
PA> tooth, and for a while thought that it might have had human
PA> origin; then he changed his mind.
From : Wesley R. Elsberry 1:347/103 25 Jan 93 02:18:00
To : All
Subj : Gould on Nebraska Man