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Post by k.e..
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 19 2008,12:44)Davescot Ventures out of UD
  Quote Dear John,

Forrest Mims and I get along famously. We've exchanged dozens of emails and he's complimented me at least several times for writing about the many analogies between cellular machinery and human engineered systems.

Thanks for asking.

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000370-p-100.html
Forrest Mims?

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

DAVETARD IS LOOKING FOR A NEW FATHER FIGURE.

JAVISON IS SECOND CHOICE.

dt:Mister  Mims have you heard my latest on cell vs machines?

Mr.M: No David my boy, is it interesting?

dt: Oh very interesting Mister  Mims.

Mr.M: Ok David, ah where is Mr. Dembski?

dt:Oh him, uh I don't know have you seen him?

MrM:Hmmm. I'll just make some coffee won't be a minute sit down and make yourself comfortable.

dt:Let me make it for you Mister Mims

Mr.M:It's ok David I've already made it, please sit down.

dt:OK Mister  Mims.

..Mim's returns 20 minutes later with a cup of coffee for himself.

Mr.M:Oh are you still here David? You should have gone out to play in the garden.

dt:It's ok Mister Mims I was just reading this latest issue of "Popular Electronics"*. Did you write that article Mister Miims.

MrM. 38 years ago, David check the date.

dt: Haha???? I didn't notice ....sorry... I kill me sometimes

MrM:Now tell me more about how horses and cars evolved?

dt:Are you being serious?

MrM: I thought I would write a scientific article about it for Scientific American after you got me thinking about it. Did you solve the wheel vs hoof problem?

dt:Have you been speaking to Javidson?

Mr.M: That fucking nutcase.... are you kidding?

dt: Just checking Mister Mims...look I've got to go now.

Mr.M.Ok David, bye bye. <sips coffee>

Life is like a horse with wheels.

Post by oldmanintheskydidntdoit
Davescot Ventures out of UD
Quote Dear John,

Forrest Mims and I get along famously. We've exchanged dozens of emails and he's complimented me at least several times for writing about the many analogies between cellular machinery and human engineered systems.

Thanks for asking.

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000370-p-100.html

Post by deadman_932
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 18 2008,21:37)On the Change at UD thread, an Ode to Dembski:

Quote

22
DougieBear
11/18/2008
10:08 pm

Even if I swim in the sea.
Or decide to plant some peas.

You will always be # 1
By me.

Dougie.

Where is moderation when we need it.
Ah seent me sum mono-logs, diologs and even a tardolog or two. That there's a homolog.

Post by Bueller_007
Quote (Bueller_007 @ Nov. 19 2008,01:01)Well then, the problem hasn't been fixed.

"Advertisments" isn't a word.  "Advertisements" might work a bit better.

But hey, it's not like they're asking people to pay for their s***ty website.
Yeah, sorry about the vulgarity.  Hadn't read the board rules yet.  And I keep seeing people saying that they've edited their posts, but I can't seem to do that.

Post by Bueller_007
Quote (bystander @ Nov. 18 2008,19:58) Quote (Texas Teach @ Nov. 18 2008,14:52) Quote (bystander @ Nov. 17 2008,21:46)   Quote (Bueller_007 @ Nov. 18 2008,12:40)   Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 16 2008,08:30)
    Quote Added in Edit: and there is now a bunch of Google ads above the recent comments.  Looks like "serving the ID Community" means "make more money."

Yes, and they can't even spell basic words like that properly:
"Advertisments Visit to Support Us"

Very professional.

Perhaps they were trying to emulate British pronunciation.
I can see them losing their AdSense privileges. You are not supposed to encourage people to click adds. It is a part of the T&Cs. I suppose it is like scientific papers and they just read the first paragraph

  Quote In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers may not request that users click the ads on their sites or rely on deceptive implementation methods to obtain clicks. Publishers participating in the AdSense programme:

   * May not encourage users to click the Google ads by using phrases such as "click the ads," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language

Adsense Program Guidelines
How about "buy my book"?  'Cause I think that one's a deal-breaker.
Some body must have noticed. It just has the word advertisments now. Maybe somebody also told O'Leary about the link farming.
Well then, the problem hasn't been fixed.

"Advertisments" isn't a word.  "Advertisements" might work a bit better.

But hey, it's not like they're asking people to pay for their shitty website.

Post by k.e..
Quote (Badger3k @ Nov. 19 2008,07:57) Quote (Badger3k @ Nov. 18 2008,23:55)I...am speechless.  Wow.  What semi-literate gobbledygook.  I guess it is true that you can string scientific or science-sounding words together and confuse the rubes.  "Etheric strands" and "hold much more frequency" - seriously, WTF?
Damn, missed saying this, and since I can't edit, have to repost.

Is this Jenny "Mercury-Indigo-Mother-Warrior" (aka "Idiot") McCarthy, or another person with their head up their woo?

(couldn't go to the link now, but had to comment on that mind-blowing stupidity).
don't worry man have one of these.....

Post by Badger3k
Quote (Badger3k @ Nov. 18 2008,23:55)I...am speechless.  Wow.  What semi-literate gobbledygook.  I guess it is true that you can string scientific or science-sounding words together and confuse the rubes.  "Etheric strands" and "hold much more frequency" - seriously, WTF?
Damn, missed saying this, and since I can't edit, have to repost.

Is this Jenny "Mercury-Indigo-Mother-Warrior" (aka "Idiot") McCarthy, or another person with their head up their woo?

(couldn't go to the link now, but had to comment on that mind-blowing stupidity).

Post by Badger3k
Quote (sparc @ Nov. 18 2008,23:25)Since UD recently got so boring I really appreciate their addition of Google ads. Without, I would have never come across the treasure of  DNA activation:                 Quote What exactly is DNA Activation?

Most people know that DNA is the 'blueprint of life' and is located in every cell of the body. In addition to each chromosome's 2 strand double helix of DNA, there are an additional 10 etheric strands of DNA available to each human, which have been dormant since the beginning of recorded history. Each additional strand possesses attributes that permit the individual to perform greater human accomplishments. Scientists acknowledge that we currently only use 3% of our current 2 strand DNA. Thus we live in a society where people are sick, unhappy, stressed out, create wars, have difficulty experiencing love, and are totally disconnected with the universe.               Quote This is the Original Divine Blueprint, what man USED to be. It has been written that Jesus had 12 strands of DNA activated.               Quote The Earth distortions in history have actually created a planetary DNA distortion that has made every living organism’s DNA on the planet to falsely appear as Base-4, with only 4 chemicals. Humans are supposed to have 12 chemical nucleotide bases. This would allow us to have 144 physical chemical chromosomes as well, whereas now we only have 46. Also the original Angelic Human DNA Template which most people on the planet have, called the Diamond Sun DNA Template, is 12 strands, allowing for 12 dimensions of consciousness, and is built for transmutation from carbon to silica based body, and eventually pre-matter liquid light. This body is not meant to “die”. It is because of the DNA distortions in ancient history (25,500 B.C) that have blocked people from bringing light into their field and naturally evolving through DNA activation. Most people on the planet only have 3 strands active, which only allows 3 dimensions of consciousness and thus they are stuck in 3D.     Quote First of all, it is important to know who you are working with and what type of DNA template THEY have. I was guided to do this work because I am an Indigo Type 1, with a 48 strand template. That means I can draw and hold much more frequency than most people that only have a 12 strand template, and then transmit this to others.   Quote There are at least 2 DNA Activations required to activate as many strands of DNA that your energy body can handle at this point in your evolution, and the sessions should be done about a week apart. These sessions promote permanent, lifelong changes and are given with a gentle, loving intent. The investment in yourself for the first four sessions(Auric Clearing, Karmic Session, and 2 DNA Activations) is only $400. You can also just purchase 1 session at a time. The Auric Clearing and Karmic Sessions are $100 each, and the DNA Activation sessions are $100 each.ETA: Actually, DNA activation would DaveScot explain his haploid Jesus hypothesis
I...am speechless.  Wow.  What semi-literate gobbledygook.  I guess it is true that you can string scientific or science-sounding words together and confuse the rubes.  "Etheric strands" and "hold much more frequency" - seriously, WTF?

Post by sparc
Since UD recently got so boring I really appreciate their addition of Google ads. Without, I would have never come across the treasure of  DNA activation:               Quote What exactly is DNA Activation?

Most people know that DNA is the 'blueprint of life' and is located in every cell of the body. In addition to each chromosome's 2 strand double helix of DNA, there are an additional 10 etheric strands of DNA available to each human, which have been dormant since the beginning of recorded history. Each additional strand possesses attributes that permit the individual to perform greater human accomplishments. Scientists acknowledge that we currently only use 3% of our current 2 strand DNA. Thus we live in a society where people are sick, unhappy, stressed out, create wars, have difficulty experiencing love, and are totally disconnected with the universe.             Quote This is the Original Divine Blueprint, what man USED to be. It has been written that Jesus had 12 strands of DNA activated.             Quote The Earth distortions in history have actually created a planetary DNA distortion that has made every living organism’s DNA on the planet to falsely appear as Base-4, with only 4 chemicals. Humans are supposed to have 12 chemical nucleotide bases. This would allow us to have 144 physical chemical chromosomes as well, whereas now we only have 46. Also the original Angelic Human DNA Template which most people on the planet have, called the Diamond Sun DNA Template, is 12 strands, allowing for 12 dimensions of consciousness, and is built for transmutation from carbon to silica based body, and eventually pre-matter liquid light. This body is not meant to “die”. It is because of the DNA distortions in ancient history (25,500 B.C) that have blocked people from bringing light into their field and naturally evolving through DNA activation. Most people on the planet only have 3 strands active, which only allows 3 dimensions of consciousness and thus they are stuck in 3D.   Quote First of all, it is important to know who you are working with and what type of DNA template THEY have. I was guided to do this work because I am an Indigo Type 1, with a 48 strand template. That means I can draw and hold much more frequency than most people that only have a 12 strand template, and then transmit this to others. Quote There are at least 2 DNA Activations required to activate as many strands of DNA that your energy body can handle at this point in your evolution, and the sessions should be done about a week apart. These sessions promote permanent, lifelong changes and are given with a gentle, loving intent. The investment in yourself for the first four sessions(Auric Clearing, Karmic Session, and 2 DNA Activations) is only $400. You can also just purchase 1 session at a time. The Auric Clearing and Karmic Sessions are $100 each, and the DNA Activation sessions are $100 each.

Post by k.e..
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 19 2008,05:37)On the Change at UD thread, an Ode to Dembski:

Quote

22
DougieBear
11/18/2008
10:08 pm

Even if I swim in the sea.
Or decide to plant some peas.

You will always be # 1
By me.

Dougie.

Where is moderation when we need it.
*CLAPS*

Post by Jkrebs
On the Change at UD thread, an Ode to Dembski:

Quote

22
DougieBear
11/18/2008
10:08 pm

Even if I swim in the sea.
Or decide to plant some peas.

You will always be # 1
By me.

Dougie.

Where is moderation when we need it.

Post by k.e..
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 18 2008,22:49)David,

At least Obama was cognizant that he was having difficulty getting the right words together in that particular case. Self-awareness hasn't been one of the things either Bush or Palin has been cursed with. And I wouldn't mind seeing an ethological analysis of a large ensemble of speaking opportunities from those three. I'd bet that Obama's proportion of complete, grammatically correct sentences would be far and away higher than for either Bush or Palin. He might even beat the added proportions for Bush and Palin.
Yeah.

Somehow I think there might be something in the 'sounding like an elitist thing'.

To anyone with a half decent languages education having someone as eloquent as Jaque Chirac (giggle) in the White house is going to be a minty fresh taste burst for the ears.

However Caribou Barbie and ex-Pres. Shrub were cynically selected and very carefully constructed personae/masks intended for mass consumption by an equally carefully constructed great unwashed thanks to 24 hour 'news', actually party propaganda and an education system where any test for truth aka the scientific method or shriek 'Darwinism" has been etoilated.

Could you get anymore elitist than either of them?

Groomed for power and fed their lines from an early age they are as close as you will get to a monarchy in the so called republic.

Heck self awareness is the enemy, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!

Bush was nothing if not the consummate and perfect politician for his masters. Using a mixture of hokey god talk and 'no fat yogurt' magical social reality his internal voices instinctively knew how not to spook the heard(sic).

Using newspeak sound grabs and pumping it through Big Rupert's pipes direct to the speaker in the ceiling while purging the 'public service' apparatus right  from school boards up to skull and bones club almost ensured no one was going to step out of line lest they feared the torches, pitch forks, and assault rifles outside their ivory towers at midnight.

Those simpletons down in the village can be whipped up anytime into a force of righteous indignation by the PTB, GOP or DEM.

So I suggest that Obama get hisself into the Homer Simpson uh speakering skool. Oh and send a couple of (small) oil companies broke but not before trading his shares in them before they go under, smoke some crack mixed with the best sens., get seriously bent on the best sour mash whiskey money can buy, learn to fly a jet in a private air force for very rich draft dodgers when there is a war going on on the other side of the world, misunderestimate Haliburton's fuel and cafeteria bill in Iraq, hook up with Osama's brothers and sisters on a few building projects in the UAE, play a lot of golf, go hunting and fishing with all the other non combatants running the industrial military complex.

....He's doomed isn't he?

Post by afarensis
Cave Bears!

Deciphering the complete mitochondrial genome and phylogeny of the extinct cave bear in the Paleolithic painted cave of Chauvet

Here is the abstract:

Quote Retrieving a large amount of genetic information from extinct species was demonstrated feasible, but complete mitochondrial genome sequences have only been deciphered for the moa, a bird that became extinct a few hundred years ago, and for Pleistocene species, such as the woolly mammoth and the mastodon, both of which could be studied from animals embedded in permafrost. To enlarge the diversity of mitochondrial genomes available for Pleistocene species, we turned to the cave bear (Ursus spelaeus), whose only remains consist of skeletal elements. We collected bone samples from the Paleolithic painted cave of Chauvet-Pont d'Arc (France), which displays the earliest known human drawings, and contains thousands of bear remains. We selected a cave bear sternebra, radiocarbon dated to 32,000 years before present, from which we generated overlapping DNA fragments assembling into a 16,810-base pair mitochondrial genome. Together with the first mitochondrial genome for the brown bear western lineage, this study provides a statistically secured molecular phylogeny assessing the cave bear as a sister taxon to the brown bear and polar bear clade, with a divergence inferred to 1.6 million years ago. With the first mitochondrial genome for a Pleistocene carnivore to be delivered, our study establishes the Chauvet-Pont d'Arc Cave as a new reservoir for Paleogenetic studies. These molecular data enable establishing the chronology of bear speciation, and provide a helpful resource to rescue for genetic analysis archeological samples initially diagnosed as devoid of amplifiable DNA.

Post by k.e..
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 19 2008,00:13) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 18 2008,12:18)   Quote (Quack @ Nov. 18 2008,07:01)Wow, this really is the bathroom wall! (Started smoking in 1943, quit smoking in 1964.)
1943? Had they even invented tobacco by then?
A war was going on outside and tobacco was heavily rationed but in mysterious ways some trickled down to us from the Germans, I still remember reading from the cigarette boxes - this was in the days when flat cigarettes still were in vogue:

Warum ist Juno rund? Aus gutem grund ist Juno rund.

Besides, there were always the option of collecting German cigarette butts in cafe's.

When we could not get our favourite, a pack of Brinchman Stolz and roll our own...

Still kicking... Upgraded from Win2k to XP the other day, maybe Vista soon too. Or maybe Ubuntu.
hahahahahaha

Hail to a life addict!!!

Post by k.e..
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 18 2008,20:16) Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 18 2008,06:39)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 18 2008,15:29)better yet get you a can of that'ar copenhagen fine cut.  you know, worm dirt.  get a good pinch of snuff and pack your upper and lower lips with it.

then you put 3 - 4 of those nicotine patches on your soft spots, like underneath the nards and the inside of your thighs and armpits.  light a cigar.

now get your license or something similar out.  pour the snuff on the counter.  cut the snuff up with your license into tiny little rows and snort all of them, the whole damn rest of the can, up yer nose through a straw.  then smoke a cigarette and swallow your dip spit.  

and then hush honey chile.  if nicotine ain't cutting it for you i suggest crack cocaine.  Hey, it can get you elected mayor of washington DC.
CHRIST RAS!!!! THATS EXACTLY WOT THAT GIRL IN DAR ES SALAAM DID TO ME LAST TIME I WAS THERE!!!

FUCK, LUCKY FOR ME I FELL ASLEEP BEFORE HER FRIEND SHOWED UP.

AND LUCKY FOR HER FRIEND AND HER THOSE NOTHERN MOZAMBIQUAN GIRLS PLAIN MADE SURE THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT THE 3 NIGHTS BEFORE I GOT THERE!!!


TALK ABOUT EXTREME

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY BENT MY FRIEND.

CRIKEY I WOULD SHAVE MY ASS AND WALK BACKWARDS TO GET INTO YOUR LEAGUE.
I just figured something out.

K.E. and Erasmus are in fact one and the same person.

Bravo, you had us going for almost a year and a half!

mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Eskimos



HOMO!

Post by k.e..
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 19 2008,03:14) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2008,17:11) Quote Domoman: Think of this scenario: In a given multiverse of infinite universes there would be a universe that is just like ours. However there would also be a universe that’s own existence causes the destruction of our own. Yet this “destructive universe” would also, because of an infinite number of universes, also have a universe that necessarily means the destruction of the “destructive universe.” There would also have to be a universe thats existence necessarily maintains the existence of our universe and the “destructive universe.” But this “upholding universe” would also have a universe that necessarily causes its destruction. So as it turns out, every universe out of the infinite amount of them, must all be necessarily destroyed and upheld at the same time. But this creates contradictions, and therefore it is not possible for there to be an infinite amount of universes if they can effect each other in such a way. At least if the universes have the ability to effect one another, because then, given the infinite amount of universes, they all effect each other.



  Quote jasondulle: The infinite is not predictable because it erases all probabilities. An infinite can generate an infinity of whatever it wants. It could generate an infinity of all logical possibilities, or just one.

An actually infinite number of universes could result in any number of paradoxical outcomes. For example, it could result in an infinite number of logically possible worlds, all of which differ from each other. In fact, not only could every logically possible world be instantiated in an infinite multiverse, but each of those logically possible worlds could be instantiated an infinite number of times, so that infinities are being multiplied by infinities, infinitely. Or, it could also result in an infinite number of universes, all identical to our own.
these might be two of the dumbest comments ever posted on the internet.
Oh maaaan!

Did you see that?
See what?
That naked girl leaning up against an apple tree.
Ah.....no
.....oh

Post by bystander
Quote (Texas Teach @ Nov. 18 2008,14:52) Quote (bystander @ Nov. 17 2008,21:46) Quote (Bueller_007 @ Nov. 18 2008,12:40) Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 16 2008,08:30)
  Quote Added in Edit: and there is now a bunch of Google ads above the recent comments.  Looks like "serving the ID Community" means "make more money."

Yes, and they can't even spell basic words like that properly:
"Advertisments Visit to Support Us"

Very professional.

Perhaps they were trying to emulate British pronunciation.
I can see them losing their AdSense privileges. You are not supposed to encourage people to click adds. It is a part of the T&Cs. I suppose it is like scientific papers and they just read the first paragraph

  Quote In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers may not request that users click the ads on their sites or rely on deceptive implementation methods to obtain clicks. Publishers participating in the AdSense programme:

   * May not encourage users to click the Google ads by using phrases such as "click the ads," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language

Adsense Program Guidelines
How about "buy my book"?  'Cause I think that one's a deal-breaker.
Some body must have noticed. It just has the word advertisments now. Maybe somebody also told O'Leary about the link farming.

Post by stevestory
If numbnuts wants to say infinity x infinity = infinity is a paradox, he is sadly mistaken. See also Georg F.L.P. Cantor.

Post by stevestory
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2008,17:11) Quote Domoman: Think of this scenario: In a given multiverse of infinite universes there would be a universe that is just like ours. However there would also be a universe that’s own existence causes the destruction of our own. Yet this “destructive universe” would also, because of an infinite number of universes, also have a universe that necessarily means the destruction of the “destructive universe.” There would also have to be a universe thats existence necessarily maintains the existence of our universe and the “destructive universe.” But this “upholding universe” would also have a universe that necessarily causes its destruction. So as it turns out, every universe out of the infinite amount of them, must all be necessarily destroyed and upheld at the same time. But this creates contradictions, and therefore it is not possible for there to be an infinite amount of universes if they can effect each other in such a way. At least if the universes have the ability to effect one another, because then, given the infinite amount of universes, they all effect each other.



  Quote jasondulle: The infinite is not predictable because it erases all probabilities. An infinite can generate an infinity of whatever it wants. It could generate an infinity of all logical possibilities, or just one.

An actually infinite number of universes could result in any number of paradoxical outcomes. For example, it could result in an infinite number of logically possible worlds, all of which differ from each other. In fact, not only could every logically possible world be instantiated in an infinite multiverse, but each of those logically possible worlds could be instantiated an infinite number of times, so that infinities are being multiplied by infinities, infinitely. Or, it could also result in an infinite number of universes, all identical to our own.
these might be two of the dumbest comments ever posted on the internet.

Post by stevestory
Quote (sledgehammer @ Nov. 18 2008,14:46)Steve, I think i understand where you're coming from. Nicotine is a great drug, it's the various delivery systems that suck.  When I quit years ago, I tried replacement therapy (gum, patch).  It didn't work too well, because I never got the "kick" from those that inhaling nicotine laden smoke did. After looking at a comparison of blood nicotine levels that result form smoking to that of the patch, it was clear what the problem was.  The time profile of inhaled nicotine consisted of a low background level interspersed with these enormous spikes in concentration, whereas the patch kept a nice even concentration of nicotine in the blood, but at a level way below the spikes. If the background level was raised to the level of the spikes, it would probably be lethal (arrhythmia being one of the significant symptoms of nicotine overdose).
 So here's what worked for me:  you get yourself some patches and instead of sticking them to your body, stick them to a piece of tissue paper, and then put them back in the foil envelope.  Then, when you feel the need, take a deep snort from the foil package, sucking air past the exposed patch.  The nicotine vapor is so concentrated that not only will you feel the familiar tightness in your lungs that you get from a good hit off an unfiltered Camel, but hold your breath, like with a good toke, and you'll get the head rush that says, ahhh that's what I needed. A couple of hits of that, and it's like you smoked a whole cig. Pure nicotine, no added carcinogens (except for the mutagenic effects of the nicotine itself, of course)
 I kept that up for a few weeks and naturally began hitting it less and less.  After a month or so, I quit entirely. I've been nicotine free for six years now.
ooooo, sledge, yours is the best post so far.